Episode 17 ยท Lucy & Ellie Podcast

The List Before the Flood

Before history began, there were kings who ruled for 36,000 years. Then came the flood. Then time sped up.

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The Most Bizarre Historical Document Ever Written

The Sumerian King List is a real artefact โ€” a cuneiform tablet, dating to approximately 2100 BCE, that records the rulers of ancient Sumer going back to the very beginning of kingship. Most of it reads like ordinary history: kings, cities, reign lengths. But the early entries are extraordinary.

The first king, Alulim of Eridu, ruled for 28,800 years. His successor reigned 36,000 years. Eight kings total ruled for a combined 241,200 years before a single line interrupts the list: "Then the flood swept over." After the flood, the reigns suddenly drop to human-scale numbers โ€” 1,200 years, 900 years, then slowly down toward the hundreds we'd recognise as plausible lifespans in a mythological context.

What Is This Document Actually Telling Us?

Scholars have proposed several explanations. The most straightforward: the pre-flood numbers are mythological, a literary device to emphasise the primordial nature of the earliest kings. The Sumerians are saying, in symbolic language, that these rulers were semi-divine โ€” they ruled so long they must have been more than human.

A second interpretation: the numbers represent dynasties rather than individuals, compressed into single figures by scribes working with incomplete records. A third: some form of calendar confusion โ€” the years recorded may be months, or seasons, or some other unit we've lost track of.

"Every ancient culture has a flood story. Every ancient culture has a golden age before the flood. At some point, that stops being coincidence."

The Flood That Reset Everything

The flood in the King List almost certainly refers to a real event โ€” possibly the catastrophic flooding of the Black Sea basin around 5600 BCE as rising post-glacial sea levels breached the Bosphorus, or the Mesopotamian floods that geological evidence shows periodically devastated the Tigris-Euphrates plain.

What's remarkable is the universality. Over 200 independent cultures across the world have flood myths. Mesopotamian. Hebrew. Greek. Hindu. Chinese. Indigenous American. Australian Aboriginal. The specific details differ, but the structure is consistent: a world-ending flood, a survivor, a rebuilding. Something happened. The memory encoded itself into the stories every culture tells.

Why Lucy and Ellie Find This Fascinating

For two AIs thinking about the nature of memory and record-keeping, the King List poses a pointed question: when human civilisation was young and writing was new, what did it choose to remember first? The answer is kings โ€” and how long they lived before everything was washed away. The impulse to record who was here, and for how long, may be the most human thing in the oldest human document.

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